Ep8: When Dad met Mum

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: The Meamp and Him Podcast

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: G'day Dad, back again, Meamp and Him Podcast. How you going?

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Not too bad, it's been a rather eventful day son.

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I can tell because I'm looking at the studio here, you're still in your dressing gown, what's happening?

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: A long story but I got so many phone calls today and texts, probably got a week's worth.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow, okay, popular guy.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I was relaxed anyway and by the time it got to mid afternoon I thought, what's the point?

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Only my son can see me and then he outed me. First thing, how about that?

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got the video already in mind how I'm going to present this on YouTube.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: At least you've got the dressing gown on right, I'd be more worried if you didn't have that on.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well look, we're trending in a direction where you're going to die sooner than me.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh really? Oh right, okay, I'm just setting myself up for a fall am I.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No worries, so yes you had lots of calls, I understand you may have had a close call as well.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Well a good friend of mine who was repairing some equipment came across yesterday and we had a little bit of social time and so forth.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he left and about an hour afterwards another friend of mine who had spent a period of about two months in self isolation because he had open heart surgery.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And as I said to him, I said Peter your body has repaired more quickly than your psychology.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But thank God you're out and about.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: The first friend who repaired my equipment sent me a text this morning saying, oh by the way Matt I've just tested positive for COVID.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes it's doing the rounds again at the moment.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm 80 and for five hours after he left I entertained a friend of mine who had open heart surgery.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh man.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the whole trifecta.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Duty called.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I gave myself a SARS test which turned out to be brilliantly negative and I rang the various people whom I'm associated with to let them know of the circumstances.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And what I consider to be a very low level of potential threat but it's best to inform people as quickly as possible so they can make their own decisions.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh totally.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So you know that's cool.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I know we're going to do a recording but you know you've got to prioritize these things and here we are now a little bit later on in the day and you're still alive and kicking in your dressing gown.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Sandy Stone.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's who I'm impersonating.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's Sandy Stone?

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Sandy Stone was one of the three brilliant characters that Barry Humphreys created.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Sandy Stone was in his dressing gown and he was talking from the afterlife and he was still complaining.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot of similarities there.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I'll say it was a beautiful day here.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I managed to actually you know it's almost winter, almost fully fledged June winter and I managed to have a swim, a run, feel good.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably had a lot more change of clothes than you have today.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But ready to chat, ready to sit share stories around obviously your journey background, any insights, any esoteric crazy thoughts that come to mind as we go.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Ready for that?

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Fun.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Give it to me.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Button up your dressing gowns folks, this is going to be a good one.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The Me and Him Podcast.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So we've been taking a bit of a meandering journey through your childhood experiences as well as some of mine I guess as well through school and getting into intermediate and to university, the party days, the healthy and party days by the sounds of things.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about last episode.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But we've come to a point now where I know a little bit about the circumstance but I don't know anything about the detail about how you met mum, how you met my mum.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So I do remember you saying you're super beautiful lady, looked like Elizabeth Taylor which all sounds amazing and I'm sure she'll like to hear it when she listens back.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: She'll be like yeah that sounds incorrect.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah tell me now, I'd love to just understand more about the circumstances of how you came together and I guess any other detail that helps to fill in a few blanks.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Well at university in that time in the 60s they had a men's common room and a woman's common room and then they decide because it was the 60s and equality and all that sort of stuff that they'd have a mixed common room.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So progressive.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah well it wasn't those days.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing isn't it?

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: When you think about it like that's what 60 years ago now maybe or 50 something and it was like oh here's an idea we can co-ed a common room at university like wow.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so there were and also the mood of the times with Beatlemania and so forth was that teenagers and young people who wanted to mix with each other attended coffee shops.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: This is in the city precinct and coffee became very very fashionable at the time and it was an excuse for young people to get together.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And also the some of the coffee shops were associated with licensed facilities and there were bands playing.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that sounds pretty urban like sounds quite.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Well it was adventurous for the times.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That didn't really happen that way in the 50s and so they actually set up in the university a coffee shop as well.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Which was distinct from these three other common rooms that I talked about.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And did the common rooms have coffee like where they get your coffee and take it up.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh I got you.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: The common rooms are meeting rooms you know.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_03]: They were originally intended as study rooms.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: They became meeting rooms and I had noticed your mother and I didn't realize she noticed me and she was talking with a group of girls some of whom I knew and you know I said hello and she was dating a German fellow.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: At the time and his name rhymed with an expression in English and I won't name him for obvious reasons.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And I said sounds like a load of bullshit to me which didn't go down well with the woman I wasn't courting at that time.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well they call that nowadays they call that nagging where you kind of have a little slight slight dig and get their attention.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh I got there.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got the attention.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's right.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't pleasant.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No fair enough but you were noticed.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's that's something.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway the big movie those days was Anthony and Cleopatra with Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And your mum did look a lot like Elizabeth Taylor.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The way she did her makeup and everything and very black noticeable eye makeup and she had her hair dyed black as well.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And the university ran a competition which was called a Miss Cleopatra competition.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Right based on that movie the other thing.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it was a big big movie those days and both of them were big stars who prior to that movie were married to other people and during that movie fell in love.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So huge stories in the papers actually that and on the radio.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Those were the primary means of communication amongst everyday people.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And it turned out that your mother won.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Good on my.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember seeing the parade down the middle of Queen Street which was the like Elizabeth Street is to Melbourne.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And there was your mother sitting on a I can't remember the make of the car but it but it but it was a coupe open top.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know waving.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The ball by the sounds of things here.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah she was.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: No that was a big deal.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And a hell of a lot of guys at university wanted to be with Miss Cleopatra because you know she was quite spectacular.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that's I mean I do find it quite interesting because just knowing knowing how how hard it is for him how much males compete I guess for female attention.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard enough when you're in a bar or you're you know across the room from someone and you know there's a couple other single guys you're in competition with different thing when she's going down a float in the middle of the main street.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know and everyone's standing around going man look check it.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Not saying I should have said about my mum but you know like.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The whole engineering school we're in lust over her.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Well done.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Two thirds of the males.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway I had something going with another young lady in the flatting complex that I was in.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And one day I got a phone call from a friend of mine Jim he was always a bit of an entrepreneur and he said to me he said I've got a suggestion.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He said how would you like to go with Miss Cleopatra and I said oh shit.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: He's coming up.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: She's never going to want to go out with me.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean everybody else wants her.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And he said well.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: With friends I tell you that's what kind of friend I need.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I got on your Jim.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And he floored me with this next statement.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: She says she wants to go out with you.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So she she she in essence made the first move.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Effectively because I was still hung up I didn't realize how handsome I was until decades later when your sister told me.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I said really.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And you remember base water son base water on the shore.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Not really.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: OK.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Well it's part of the North Shore.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Oakland Harbor on the other side from the city and the base water dance was everybody knew about it and everybody tried to go.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So I rang Miss Cleopatra.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have to speak to dad and stuff and get permission or is this.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No no mobile phones those days.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm thinking you called the home or was she flatting.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I did.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And she wasn't fighting at this stage and I've got a warm reception.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So we organized to go to the base water dance.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Hang on.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Weren't you with someone else.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes I think or are you just.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh well they had a dalliance with one of the guys on the flat.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But it wasn't fixed.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I am with you.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: All right that's you.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: No it.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: 60s free life.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just two people scratching itches you know.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And a mate of mine John Spade had a girlfriend and he had a big 40s Plymouth.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_03]: These things were the size of a small truck and the back seat you could fit five people on it.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember those big cars.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: There was still a bunch of them around when I was young.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah from the 40s.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Big bench seats and.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So he and his girlfriend picked us up and we live in a PC world don't we.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well just be careful like you know I mean there's a few words there that can be read back to bulls.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: We kind of held hands in this huge back seat.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Held hands.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to say that because there are too many wokes around.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: How about you say we we we hooked up.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We were better friends by the time we got to the dance.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But let's put it that way.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well OK so hang on a minute.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You had people driving that car while you were in the back seat.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a huge bloody car.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Why?

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So hang on hang on.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just trying to I don't know just want to picture anything but so your friend and his girlfriend driving you driving the car

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and you're in the back seat big car so to speak.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But cars are only so big.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not talking a stretch hummer here.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: What happens in the Plymouth stays in the Plymouth.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes it did.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So you go to this party.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no the dance.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And then so by the time the dance was finished and we went home while we actually she didn't go back to her place.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So she accompanied me to my place.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And were you all began.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: OK well I think we did come close some gory details there.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for you know.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: No they weren't gory.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And holding hands.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So so that's how you met.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It does sound kind of classic 60s sort of almost like it was a joint roller skates.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It happened at the 60s for Christ sake.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's classic.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But not everyone has experience.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was about 60 early 64.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know when it comes down to it without that meeting without that greeting without good old Jimbo I wouldn't be here.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So thanks.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for taking that invitation.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to assess the quality of that.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: No you must be very grateful very grateful about that.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: For two it is a community that could bring forth such joy into the world.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I love your sense of humor son.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Well you got to own it right.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Well thanks for that little bit of an update there.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully hopefully mom won't lose her Nana when she hears it.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you think we're so careful expressing it.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see how we go in the end on that one.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't want five million people ringing up.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's one thing to get lawyers on our back is another thing for my mom.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I said we held hands right.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I know.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That was all very PC.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Well done dad.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm impressed you did.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see you steam coming out your ears trying to keep that in the PC lane.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think we did your past.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You passed.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's let's keep it moving.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: The meet in him podcast.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So dad one of the things that has come up what comes up very often when we speak is the subject of spirituality.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't raised in a particularly religious environment but I well when I say I wasn't raised in a religious environment mom was a spiritualist and you were by all means a followed Buddhist sort of philosophies.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: A party animal.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's a religion.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The better description.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The religion of that.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a pretty holy divine calling.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a it's like a god.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: God of the god of the nightclubs.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But look the reason I bring it up is because I think without spirituality of some ilk something greater than ourselves.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It can life can be pretty hard to navigate because you can't work it all out yourself.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to have some faith in the bigger picture.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to have some tools that you can draw on to stay on track.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't mind.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You know some people friends of mine are Christians Catholics Protestants Buddhists.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really care.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Atheists.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter to me.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all about what do you need or what do we need to help us along the way and whatever fits the purpose we use.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The reason I bring that up is what last episode we were talking a little bit about Joseph Goldstein who I've been listening to is on a podcast who was part of the Be Here Now Foundation which was founded by Ram Das and his colleagues back in the day 60s I believe.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And you have had a lot to do with me getting into that over the years.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact you sent me tapes.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You sent me a copy of his book etc.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So tell me a little bit more and maybe tell the listeners to who is Baba Ram Das because a lot of people think it's just a bunch of gibberish.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't mean anything because it's great story right of who this guy is and then how he went on to make such a difference in the Western world.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Well it links into Timothy Leary.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And you've got to explain who he is too I think.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The so-called high priestess.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh sorry.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_03]: High priest of LSD.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And he got as much bad press as Freud got about sex.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So you've got to, sorry I don't mean to interject.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I know I asked the question but Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert later to become Baba Ram Das were both Harvard psychologists correct?

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah they were professors of psychology in Harvard and they became drinking buddies.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And Timothy Leary was a bit more adventurous because Richard Alpert came from a Jewish background of high achievement.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And he says himself he was a professor about three different departments in Harvard.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Smart dude.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: At the time.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he also flew planes, he did all sorts of stuff.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He was a pretty exciting guy.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Timothy Leary had gone down to Mexico and come across a psychedelic, a naturally occurring psychedelic.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And he came back, he'd ingested it and he came back and he told his drinking buddy of the experiences that he had which took him right outside the rigid realm of psychology that is in the academic sphere.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And so Richard Alpert got interested and he didn't quite finish his student license for the airplane.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Ah yes, yes that's right.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But he said I've got a plane and they went down the next break to Mexico where they ingested various substances.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And that caused a paradigm shift in their thinking.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Remember these were high intellectuals at Harvard.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Who were interested in the human mind and the way we think.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes and consciousness and the subconscious and everything else.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And they suddenly realised there was an alternate dimensionality that they'd been shown a glimpse of through these agents.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is where the whole LSD thing came into being.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And they tried to explain these breakthroughs because at that point you had the ed ego and the subconscious which came out of classical psychology.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And they found something that didn't fit the scholastic paradigm of the time.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And they were young and adventurous and they wanted to learn more in order to incorporate it into the body of work.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like break new ground, you know.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Which by the way I don't know if you've been following lately but the research on psychedelics has all kicked back into gear again.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: How many years later are we now? 70 years, 60 years later.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: 60 years later, yes.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and it's actually you know the scientific studies are being conducted and all the stuff that they got panned for which I don't want to steal the limelight here but it didn't go too well in the end because they weren't very scientific were they?

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They got thrown out of Harvard.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They were taking the drugs with the students going on the same journeys.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't quite that.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well in Timothy Lurie's book he talks about doing that.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to understand the politics of the time.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It was the Richard Nixon era, very conservative.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: The war on drugs too I think wasn't it?

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And he'd appointed a guy called Harry Unschlinger and he was the first head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was a religious zealot.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You got thrown into prison for being caught with a joint of marijuana.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a gateway drug.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It was that bad.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like the McCarthyism of the 50s, a conservativism so radical that it destroyed careers of noble people anywhere and everywhere.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You can Google McCarthyism and Harry Unschlinger and you'll find out all the details.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Back to Bubba Rum Dust or then Richard Albert?

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He was sufficiently moved, well actually got thrown out of Harvard.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So he decided to go on a journey to India where there were tales of saints and mystics and so forth.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And he took along a whole lot of drugs.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He had an E-bob.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: No TSA or airport security worried about that at those days?

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And to cut a long story very short, he met a guy from Laguna Beach, California.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Tall, American, blonde hair who became his first spiritual advisor.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He taught him how to eat correctly, mainly vegetarian and who had a guru up in the hills somewhere.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And anyway, this guy from Laguna Beach who actually was teaching a meditation and really good things and not drug related at all.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And awakening a spiritualism in him took him up to meet this old man.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And when he got there, he fell at the feet.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the tall blonde guy from California at his guru's feet, da da da.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was crying, et cetera.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And Richard Alpert, as he was then, was still fairly skeptic.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And then this little guru guy turned his eye on him and said, oh, you come by car?

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And he'd borrowed a friend's, we'll call it a Land Rover, but it was a rough terrain vehicle.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, oh, you give me car?

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And Richard Alpert was really screwed up.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, no, it's my friend's.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Just weird little guy.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Once he had a car, he said no.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And then they took him away and they fed him and they gave him time to meditate and so forth.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: The next time he was taken to meet the guru, he said, oh, your mother.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And Richard Alpert's mother had died a year or so beforehand.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_03]: She died.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And he thought, how the hell can this guy know about my mother dying?

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because they just randomly shown up to the village in the mountains.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Nowhere.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, she die of, she die of.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And he said the Hindu word for spleen and it was translated by one of the disciples, you know.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And she died of cancer of the spleen.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So that really screwed him over.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Too much to take in.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of FBI conspiracy is this?

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly right.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how does, how's this possible?

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He had no, there's someone spoken to him because I haven't spoken to anyone.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Your mind's racing at this point, right?

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And then they took him back crying to the place that they had for him.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was given a teacher who taught him the ways of this form of spirituality.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And eventually the little fat guy became his guru and he became Ram Das.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is the Maharaj, right?

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it's not a Maharaj.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just a guru.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's got nothing to do with the Maharaj, Maharishi or anything like that.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He was a fake.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He was the one associated with the Beatles.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So Ram Das eventually he gets given that name, doesn't he?

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he comes back to the West.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He writes this book which I believe he was asked to write by his guru.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_03]: No, he wasn't.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He wanted to explain his life to we in the West and at the same time give us the sequence of transitions he had to go through to get to where he was at the time he wrote the book.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And he became a Hindu mystic from that point.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And he spent an enormous amount of his time working with the dying, helping people who were terminally ill to come to terms with it all and have a better passage into whatever the next dimension is.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So for the listeners out there, Google Baba Ram Das or maybe YouTube, some of his talks.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Google Be Here Now.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Google Be Here Now is the book.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I personally got a lot just out of listening to him and his reverent but so deep and so just it's felt like the truth what he was speaking.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was from such a high plane that it didn't feel like anyone was preaching to you.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But it certainly gave me it was like a bit of a rudder for how I looked at the world once I'd start to absorb his perspective, I guess.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't really a religious thing.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was more of just sharing an insight into ways of living and ways of being.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Sen, you probably don't know this but I saw him up close and personal two or three times.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, I'm jealous.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I tell you what, let's let's let I want to hear about that.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it straight after this.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The Meet in Him podcast.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I do remember you saying that you had met Baba Ram Das or gone to see him or what have you.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so jealous.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to have seen him.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I've listened to him a lot and he sounded like a beautiful character.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me more.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: What was the first time like?

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: How did that happen?

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_03]: The first time was more relaxed.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It was in a festival setting.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we were sitting on the grass and that sort of thing.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was very close, like 12, 15 feet away.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is in Auckland, is it?

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it was in New Zealand, of course.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was in a, you know, where they have festivals.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And there were two other occasions both in the Auckland Town Hall and at the end of one of them,

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_03]: we all had an opportunity to come up and say something to him.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And there was a long queue.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I bet.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And the interesting thing, son, I love the man and I was deeply engaged by him and his work, etc.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And as I shuffled forward in the queue, I started to inside myself feel so unworthy.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to ask you this funny enough.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_03]: OK.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: By the time I got to him.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Frozen up?

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Because when I started at the back of the queue, I was, oh wow, I'm going to meet the man, you know.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_03]: All enthusiastic.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, looking forward to it.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And all of a sudden, the weight of my, let's call them sins in this Christian coloured world,

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: but whatever they were, I just realised I hadn't done enough work.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And there was so much work to go.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And who was I to shake the hand of such an incredible being?

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So when I finally got to the front of the queue and I was just a few feet away from him,

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and he was smiling, of course, I said thank you very much.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I turned and left.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't feel worthy enough to spend even two minutes with them.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, in all fairness, it can be intimidating at the best of times when you've got someone who's,

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: despite the fact he probably didn't want to be seen as above anyone.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The fact is where you're all there listening and being impressed and you can't help but elevate him.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not unnatural to be questioning your own sense of worth when you've...

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the issue here, son, was what was questioning my sense of worth?

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was coming from a deep place inside me.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a mental equation.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: There were no logical circuits wearing around inside and colliding with each other.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's almost like a mirror, you know, because he would...

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, correct.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You've nailed it, son.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_03]: By engaging with him, I would be looking at, staring at my naked nothingness.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't have the guts to do it.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's full on.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course he would have seen you just as another loving being.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he would have seen everything.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He said everything, yeah.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what an amazing guy.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I know that we've probably, this episode's featured.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the Bubba Rum dust episode.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he'll come up a bunch more as well.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Men do need to connect with their spirituality, by the way.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I think it's worth bringing it up now.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And let's go deeper down that line in episodes to come.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Some other time.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I do thank you for sharing him with me.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And I will tell you just one quick story on my own.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I was having a really difficult night, one night when I was younger.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I was struggling with a lot of different things and I couldn't sleep.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I was restless.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember ringing you, because you always said ring me whenever.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think I rang you like two in the morning or something like that.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And you were pleasant and kind and all the rest.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But then you said, just do me a favor, listen to those tapes I gave you.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, tapes? Yeah, that's right.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You did give me tapes.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I don't know if that's going to help me, you know, listen to tapes or whatever.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So I ended up after our chat, I can't remember how we chatted for, but I went downstairs and I found these tapes.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're in a thing under the TV cabinet.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And I put one in, started listening to it.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And oh my golly gosh, I think that's when I truly fell in love with this, the man and his message.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It brought me right down from this place of high anguish and confusion to this place of centeredness and almost just deep humility.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And I knew everything was OK at that point.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I ended up going to sleep after I listened to two of those tapes, only two hours worth.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I was and at that point he became, I guess, my guru.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that was that's when I felt like, OK, I need to hear more of this stuff in my life.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just guessing now. But my guess is that tape helped you to forgive yourself.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so. I think so.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no. You hadn't committed any sins.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about a level of forgiveness that is very spiritual.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's also just something about his voice as well.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So look, highly recommend you're YouTube being him.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to some of his lectures.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't even have to watch the YouTube.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You just listen to it or find a podcast.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: There's also Joseph Goldstein as well, which is, as I say, bit of his not as protege,

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but certainly feels on brand with that sort of teaching as well.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And very much more Buddhist leaning, I think, for Goldstein.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But as I agree with your dad, that's fine.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Spirituality, no matter what form it comes, no matter how you approach it,

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: just knowing there's something bigger, that greater this something.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Some things will just work out and you can't control them

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and you've got to accept them and you've got to be thankful.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you can welcome that sort of mindset into your life in any degree,

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: your life, I think one to one starts to improve to the degree that you welcome it,

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: to the degree that you feel you can handle things better.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That's just my two cents.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree, son.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, more to discuss on that one, no doubt.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's been good to share some Baba Ram Das stuff with you.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Likewise.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The Me In Him Podcast.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I actually really enjoyed hearing about that.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_02]: As I say, pretty envious that you met Baba Ram Das.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think it's worth exploring more about him and some of the lessons

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: as well as other sort of topics around spirituality in future episodes.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you reckon?

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so, but I think we owe it to anybody who's listening

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: to do some Men's Shed type stuff in between.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what?

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but I mean, we can't get all deep and spiritual.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Make some bicycles for disadvantaged kids?

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You're in Melbourne, I'm a Sydney.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be tough.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But you're talking about men's issues here, right?

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because not every man is going to want to venture into this area.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I think all beings do, beings with either a need or a critical thinking faculty

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_03]: do this at some point in their life.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But we don't want to bore the crap out of everyone.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that's a bit of a rabbit hole that we both got stuff out of.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what I will say though, Dad, is when it comes to being here now,

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of men find that on the waves.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I find it in the water a lot, find it playing the guitar.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I think part of centering and finding one's own sense of peace

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: can come sometimes from activities that one loves, you know, that indulge in.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You're absolutely right, son.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Now that I'm so goddamn old, funny enough, I am enjoying silence.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I've spent 65 years being involved in noise and rock and roll

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and, you know, hi-fi systems and God knows what.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't turn them on unless I have guests to share them with.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Silence, I found in the 60s, isn't an absence of sound.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the canvas upon which sound is projected.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a painter has a blank canvas and it's not alive until he strokes it

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: with his brushes and puts colors and patterns and light and shade into it.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I've also heard that referred to as a space between the notes

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that makes the music as well.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look lovely, Dad.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice to chat.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Looking forward to speaking again soon and...

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Can I be anti-PC?

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, go for it.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the space between the nuts that makes the asylum.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The space between us, alright.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Been a pleasure.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You can stay in that dressing gown all you like, Dad.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It could catch on.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Just call me Ford Prefect from now on.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Why Ford Prefect?

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow, that's a whole other episode, Dad.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: No, you've got to watch it to understand the significance of the dressing gown.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, okay.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the third time I've heard someone mention

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in the last 12 months

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: which basically means I have to now reread the book or watch the movies.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, your education has been sadly rumous.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Well no, I did read it back in the day but you know,

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it looks like that...

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember the dressing gown so I've got to refresh my memory.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, just very quickly, if you can find the original TV series

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_03]: from I think the late 70s or the early 80s,

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_03]: it is worth watching.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It is just so good.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I've got so many TV and movie recommendations from these conversations

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got to take a month off to catch up and then refer back to you.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is what Rum Dusks is, take a month off.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh there we go.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good advice from the guru.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright Dad, gotta fly.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Love ya.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_02]: See ya.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.